SPECIAL TALK 25th Anniversary Conversation

Tracing the origins of the engineers' aspirations.
The developers made repeated decisions and took on challenges.
DataSpider's 25-Year Journey

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In the ever-evolving IT environment, DataSpider was born in 2001 to flexibly connect diverse systems. We have gathered its creator, Kazutoshi Ono, and other members who have been deeply involved with DataSpider, to look back on its journey, including the thoughts behind its development, its history of evolution, and turning points in the market—stories that can only be shared now, a quarter of a century after its inception.

"DataSpider Servista 5" has been newly released after several version upgrades.

What are some of the most memorable things that have happened during the process of creating and upgrading the game?

Arima

My own work is primarily focused on HULFT Square development, and I've been involved with DataSpider Servista since around version 4. With this update to version 5, we're updating the core component called the Java Runtime Environment (JRE), and it has reinforced my understanding of the importance of giving younger employees experience.
We have a long history of developing the core of DataSpider Servista, but the number of members, including Mr. Ono, who have experience developing the core of DataSpider is gradually decreasing. It's truly worrying that younger employees don't have many opportunities to work with the core functions. The process of completely rebuilding the core is like the Shikinen Sengu (periodic rebuilding) of Ise Grand Shrine, which takes place only once every 20 years, but by intentionally giving them this experience in order to connect it to the next version upgrade, I feel that it has definitely strengthened the younger employees.

Sasaki

As someone who has been involved in the development of the service since its early stages, I am particularly struck by the evolution of the development organization. In the early days, the development team handled everything themselves, including not only developing new features but also testing, post-release inquiries, and maintenance. However, as the number of customers increased, the number of inquiries also increased, making it difficult to complete planned tasks. In addition, as the product was adopted by enterprises, a higher level of quality was required. Therefore, we created a QA team to ensure high quality and established an environment where quality could be guaranteed with specialized expertise. In terms of development, we also significantly evolved the development organization by creating teams that specialize in handling both planned development tasks and unexpected maintenance tasks. I strongly feel that the development organization has grown along with the growth of the product.

Ishii

Although my own involvement with DataSpider is relatively recent, upgrading the internal JDK version inevitably leads to some behavioral changes. We made a strong effort to ensure that the behavior as seen by customers remained unchanged, even while refining the internal code. For many of our long-time customers, "not changing" is one of the values they value. We put a lot of effort into making it appear as if nothing had changed. While there is a testing phase after development, we adopted a process of conducting compatibility verification tests in advance during the development phase, which was one of the approaches we focused on.

Version upgrade development is a challenging process, but what motivates you to persevere?

Ishii

Before joining DataSpider Servista development team, I worked in the systems integration (SI) department, where I performed integrations using DataSpider Servista. One of our clients was such a fan that they even recommended DataSpider Servista to other companies. I have the impression that there are many core fans who even give lightning talks at user events on the topic of what makes DataSpider Servista so appealing, and I strongly feel that there is something about it that attracts many people. With these people in mind, I am always conscious of continuing to create products that do not disappoint their expectations.

What do you feel is attracting so many people?

Ishii

Those with programming experience will likely appreciate this even more, but I think it's the tactile, intuitive operation. The fact that you can create data integration processes simply by connecting icons with data flows and process flows is truly wonderful. Its relative stability is also one of its charms. Furthermore, the name Fantasista not only means multi-talented and versatile, but also means exciting the audience with various ideas. I think the mindset of members like Mr. Ono, who love positive surprises, is well reflected in the product.

The positioning of HULFT Square and the future of DataSpider Servista

Could you tell me about the future of DataSpider Servista?

Sasaki

It may sound cliché, but we want to continue providing the value of stable data integration without changing it. However, as data is becoming more and more distributed across cloud environments such as IaaS, on-premises systems, and services like SaaS, I believe there is definitely value in taking on a challenge to provide a platform that allows customers to achieve what they want without having to worry about where the data is stored. We believe that the flexibility that comes from having both HULFT Square in the cloud and DataSpider Servista on-premises is of great value to us, and we think that one path forward is to aim for a product that can become even more integrated into our customers' infrastructure.

Ishii

The use of generative AI is an inevitable trend, so this version upgrade can be seen as an effort to lay the foundation for that stage. There is no doubt that focusing on and considering the use of AI will be one of the major trends going forward. In an era where code can be generated by AI, I personally don't imagine that in a few years we'll be manually creating scripts. I believe that a world like Vibe Coding, where code is generated by giving instructions in natural language, will become important in DataSpider Servista as well.

Arima

While DataSpider Servista provides reliable and secure integration in on-premises environments, and HULFT Square enables integration with cloud services, we are currently discussing merging these two and having DataSpider Servista operate as an agent for HULFT Square. Furthermore, with security in mind in the age of AI, we believe that agent orchestration functionality will become the foundation of both HULFT Square and DataSpider Servista, as we consider how to connect AI and data. The ability to prompt responses by passing human-approved data, based on workflows created by the customers themselves, to the AI will undoubtedly be a crucial question for both products and will align with the needs of the field.
Along with DataSpider Servista, which has garnered customer support for its stable and smooth operation, HULFT Square will continue to be refined to comply with user management and access control requirements as a service, as well as requirements for personal information protection such as GDPR, with an eye toward overseas expansion.

Mr. Ono, the creator of DataSpider, what are your thoughts on HULFT Square?

Mr. Ono

Rather than focusing on HULFT Square alone, I believe the significance lies in having both HULFT Square and DataSpider Servista. For a long time, there was a time when moving everything to the cloud was considered the right thing to do, but recently, there has been increasing talk about a return to on-premises solutions. Discussions about sovereign clouds, which allow companies to maintain sovereignty over their data and infrastructure while complying with regulations in various countries, are one example of this.
While the value of the cloud will never fade, there is a growing trend to consider architectures that strategically combine cloud with on-premises options. The ability to choose between the two and connect them effectively, which is essential for the future, is a significant advantage.

Who is DataSpider?

Finally, could you describe DataSpider in one sentence?

Mr. Ono

As the word "fantasista" suggests, perhaps it refers to a magical player who isn't bound by conventions and can flexibly connect various things. In fact, that's the kind of player we aimed to create with this product.
However, personally, I'd like to see them be more of a "fantasista" (a creative, imaginative force). I've been at Credit Saison for several years now, observing things from the outside, and I often hear people say that DataSpider's development is slow. With the release of version 5 and the upgrade of the core components, I think they've solidified their foundation for change. I hope they continue to cherish the idea behind the name Servista, which means "connecting things freely like a fantasista."

Arima

Initially, we were a company that handled HULFT and SI (Systems Integration), but since we started using DataSpider, we've realized that we can now connect data ourselves. I think DataSpider is truly the source of Data Integration. I believe that many of our customers feel the same way, which is why they have become fans of DataSpider. I think it can truly be described as the source of power for Data Integration.

Ishii

My impression is that it's crucial middleware that can form the core of our customers' businesses, and it's software with a mysterious charm that attracts a large number of core fans. I have certainly heard complaints about slow development, so I want to return to the roots of being a fantasista that surprises the audience with various ideas, and create something that will quickly and impressively amaze them.

Sasaki

From my perspective, DataSpider is my starting point as an engineer, and it's a product that continues to grow together with our customers and partners. In that sense, I want to continue to thoroughly explore what value DataSpider can bring to our customers' modernized systems, including the shift from on-premise to the cloud and the emergence of generative AI.
Ultimately, it's the code that shapes a product. Unless developers are aware that every single line contributes to its value, a good product cannot be created. Having been away from DataSpider development for a while myself, I want to build an engineering organization that can properly pass on this vision, including through member training and recruitment.

Let's stay connected, now and in the future.


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